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Ta in dem - Ge dem bostäder - Jobb - Ett bra liv - Moskeer(!!)

Vi har yttrandefrihet i Sverige, är dem inte nöjda så åk hem.

Förlåt, sen när blev Islam ett land? (eller ett samhällsproblem i Sverige för den delen)

Om ni kanske inte har lagt märke till i tidningen, så accepterar den Svenska Muslimska föreningen (vad den nu heter) dessa bilder. Med iallafall...

Vad har muslimer själva för påverkan på er? Människors tro handlar om att föra samma människor, medans religion åtskiljer de olika trosätten, fastän man i grunden tror på samma Gud.

Nästan alla religioner har genomgått mörka perioder, och idag har Islam en stor påverkan på människorna i Mellanösterns liv, så jag kan på ett vis förstå varför de blir så förbannade då någon gör karikatyrbilder av deras störste och viktigaste profet, även om deras ociviliserade sätt att visa det på (bränna flaggor, dockor osv).

Och till I lol. Islam var till en början en fridfull religion. En Äkta muslim ber 5 gånger om dagen, är allmänt god, skulle aldrig skada någon människa/djur, och det kanske viktigaste, accepterar alla andra religioner.

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Så en riktig muslim går emot Koranen?

Står det i koranen att man ska vara emot alla religioner?

En iman i Jerusalem berättade en gång att de accepterar alla religioner, och till och med erkännde Jesus som en profet. Så jag förstår inte var man har fått ifrån att Islam är emot alla religioner (visst att muslimer anser att islam är den enda och sanna religionen, men det är inte riktigt samma sak skulle jag tro).

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Står det i koranen att man ska vara emot alla religioner?

*En lätt harkling*

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Koran 8:12

Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Koran 9:5

"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9:73

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

Koran 4:144

Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?

Koran 47:4

When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Koran 5:33-34

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.

Koran 5:51

Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

Koran 5:57

Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...

Koran 5:64

The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...

Koran 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Koran 9:30

The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.

Koran 98:1-8

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Koran 22:19-22:23

Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 18:28-30

For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

Koran 40:67-40:73

Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Koran 43:74

..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.

Koran 55:41-52

..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?

Koran 76:1-5

For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...

Koran 73:12

We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.

Koran 77:20-77:50

Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."

Koran 8:73

The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.

Koran 21:96-21:101

..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.

Koran 33:7-12

...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment...

Koran 44:40-49

..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honourable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."

Koran 52:1-52:15

..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'

Koran 31-37

And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high amd would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.

Koran 56:52-56

Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therwith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!

Koran 69:30-37

We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fie of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...

Koran 2:39

Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.

Koran 2:89-90

The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.

Koran 13:13

..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..

Koran 58:5

Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.

Koran 70:15-16

The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..

Koran 5:10

As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.

Koran 70:39

We have created the unbelievers out of base matters.

"Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends"

(Surah 5:51)

"fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"

(Surah 9:123)

"fight those who do not believe in Allah"

(Surah 9:29)

"and fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

(Surah 8:39)

"Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace"

(Surah 9:14)

"Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them"

(Surah 9:30)

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

(Surah 8:12)

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Allah är egentligen samma gud som kristendomens gud (Kristendomen och Judendomen var ifrån början liksom "byggda på varandra" eller hur man nu förklarar det), men det är inte det som jag menade från första början. Människor får tolka Koranen på vilket sätt de än vill. Jag förstår mig bara inte på elizaars första kommentar.

Men iallafall, återigen till topicen.

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Precis, vi har faktiskt samma gud. "Allah" är inte en annan gud, bara deras namn på honom, precis som svenska Niklas ofta blir Nicholas i Storbrittanien osv.

Så genom att gå emot andra religoner som har samma gud så går man emot sin egen gud. Och går man emot sin egen gud så går man delvis emot sin egen religion, och den ska man ju inte gå emot?

Muslims and christians, dig a little deeper!

EDIT: Är själv kristen och har muslim-kompisar. Så trackar inte ner på någon av dom

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Om vi ber de araber som kommer hit att respektera våra lagar så har de all rätt att be oss om samma sak.

Däremot behöver vi inte rätta oss efter hund-lagen då vi inte bor i ett arab-land. Men att håna någon religions gud eller profet är förstås inte olagligt (om man inte tänker på kränkande av folkgrupp) men är dock vett och respekt (inte hip-hop "yo, mannen, respekt"-respekt) för människor av alla religioner att inte göra det.

Dessutom, sa jag att vi skulle respektera eller rätta oss efter den lagen, då den inte gäller de som bor i Sverige?

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Om vi ber de araber som kommer hit att respektera våra lagar så har de all rätt att be oss om samma sak.

Däremot behöver vi inte rätta oss efter hund-lagen då vi inte bor i ett arab-land. Men att håna någon religions gud eller profet är förstås inte olagligt (om man inte tänker på kränkande av folkgrupp) men är dock vett och respekt (inte hip-hop "yo, mannen, respekt"-respekt) för människor av alla religioner att inte göra det.

Dessutom, sa jag att vi skulle respektera eller rätta oss efter den lagen, då den inte gäller de som bor i Sverige?

Nej jag menade inte så, du säger mycket vettigt och jag undrade bara :rolleyes:

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